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	<title>Comments on: Gift of Language Requires A Quantum Leap</title>
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		<title>By: Sweetwind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sweetwind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Apes like chimps or gorillas or orangs don&#039;t&lt;br&gt;
&gt;have some simple 100-word language of their own -&lt;br&gt;
&gt;they have effectively no language at all&lt;br&gt;

I would argue this a little (while conceding their indiginous languages don&#039;t top 100 words). Great ape sign language experiments have been routinely successful in giving the apes 150+ word vocabularies. Why would they have the capability for this in the lab if they&#039;re not using it in the wild? In Roger Fout&#039;s book &lt;a href=&quot;http://friendsofwashoe.org/fowhumans/excerpt.htm&quot;&gt;Next of Kin&lt;/a&gt; he makes the point that chimpanzees in the wild exhibit a limited vocabulary including invitations to groom, mate, and even such phrases as &quot;may I pass?&quot; (in body &quot;language&quot; and gesture). One thing I remember from the book was when Washoe, who had been raised to use ASL in Nevada, was sent to the University of Oklahoma and thrown in with chimps who had no knowledge of sign language. When she hit her estrus and wanted to mate, she used the ASL sign &quot;hug&quot; and apparently the male chimps learned that sign very quickly. I seem to recall that the other female chimps communicated their invitations differently but I don&#039;t have the book with me now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Apes like chimps or gorillas or orangs don&#8217;t<br />
>have some simple 100-word language of their own -<br />
>they have effectively no language at all</p>
<p>I would argue this a little (while conceding their indiginous languages don&#8217;t top 100 words). Great ape sign language experiments have been routinely successful in giving the apes 150+ word vocabularies. Why would they have the capability for this in the lab if they&#8217;re not using it in the wild? In Roger Fout&#8217;s book <a href="http://friendsofwashoe.org/fowhumans/excerpt.htm">Next of Kin</a> he makes the point that chimpanzees in the wild exhibit a limited vocabulary including invitations to groom, mate, and even such phrases as &#8220;may I pass?&#8221; (in body &#8220;language&#8221; and gesture). One thing I remember from the book was when Washoe, who had been raised to use ASL in Nevada, was sent to the University of Oklahoma and thrown in with chimps who had no knowledge of sign language. When she hit her estrus and wanted to mate, she used the ASL sign &#8220;hug&#8221; and apparently the male chimps learned that sign very quickly. I seem to recall that the other female chimps communicated their invitations differently but I don&#8217;t have the book with me now.</p>
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		<title>By: gypsysoul</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t you know?   Whether a language is TO BE or NOT TO BE can be calculated mathematically.
It really IS all about numbers. &lt;sigh&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t you know?   Whether a language is TO BE or NOT TO BE can be calculated mathematically.<br />
It really IS all about numbers. &lt;sigh&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: cachilders</title>
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		<dc:creator>cachilders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i come here for articles like this. i wish they&#039;d change the name of the site to &quot;science today.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i come here for articles like this. i wish they&#8217;d change the name of the site to &quot;science today.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: rickyjames</title>
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		<dc:creator>rickyjames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy, feels good to know somebody cares about an article like this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, feels good to know somebody cares about an article like this!</p>
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		<title>By: cachilders</title>
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		<dc:creator>cachilders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2003 08:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as it happens, i&#039;m currently composing a paper in the field of language, and from what i see, these sources may prove quite useful. thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as it happens, i&#8217;m currently composing a paper in the field of language, and from what i see, these sources may prove quite useful. thanks.</p>
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