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	<title>Comments on: The Science of Rigging U.S. Elections</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2004 08:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>check this comment at
&lt;a href=&quot;http://nogeorgebush.blogspot.com/2004/09/dont-vote-for-george-w-bush-and-here.html&quot;&gt;nogeorgebush&lt;/a&gt;
I thought this was funny...
why vote for a person who cannot speak a sentence in english. 4 more of years of what agony...listening to him construct his sentences..no child left behind..I&#039;d say &quot;bush got left behind&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>check this comment at<br />
<a href="http://nogeorgebush.blogspot.com/2004/09/dont-vote-for-george-w-bush-and-here.html">nogeorgebush</a><br />
I thought this was funny&#8230;<br />
why vote for a person who cannot speak a sentence in english. 4 more of years of what agony&#8230;listening to him construct his sentences..no child left behind..I&#8217;d say &#8220;bush got left behind&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that the voting system is inherently corruptible doesn&#039;t concern you?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
Why is it only a problem if fraud has already been perpetrated? Isn&#039;t a clearly demonstrated potential for fraud -- in and of itself -- a major cause for concern?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
Read this article:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/business/6344554.htm&quot;&gt;San Jose Mercury Column&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
Then tell me where you disagree with it.

I&#039;m waiting. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that the voting system is inherently corruptible doesn&#8217;t concern you?</p>
<p>Why is it only a problem if fraud has already been perpetrated? Isn&#8217;t a clearly demonstrated potential for fraud &#8212; in and of itself &#8212; a major cause for concern?</p>
<p>Read this article:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/business/6344554.htm">San Jose Mercury Column</a></p>
<p>Then tell me where you disagree with it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m waiting.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Well, a &quot;corrupt voting system&quot; needs to be shown to have been corrupted. Incompetence at making a reliable and secure voting system does not make it corrupt unless someone has used its weaknesses.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;sorry, but it doesn&#039;t work that way. 
an electoral system must be demonstrably solid and transparent from the get-go -- clearly, any POTENTIAL for corruption should be eliminated before the vote takes place.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what&#039;s more, the system has to be properly auditable, with some sort of paper trail at every level.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it would also help if the company assigned to manage it *wasn&#039;t* a serious contributor to any political party -- go to &lt;a href=&quot;http://opensecrets.org&quot;&gt;http://opensecrets.org&lt;/a&gt; , use &quot;Diebold&quot; as a search phrase, and you&#039;ll see what i mean.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>Well, a &#8220;corrupt voting system&#8221; needs to be shown to have been corrupted. Incompetence at making a reliable and secure voting system does not make it corrupt unless someone has used its weaknesses.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>sorry, but it doesn&#8217;t work that way.<br />
an electoral system must be demonstrably solid and transparent from the get-go &#8212; clearly, any POTENTIAL for corruption should be eliminated before the vote takes place.</p>
<p>what&#8217;s more, the system has to be properly auditable, with some sort of paper trail at every level.</p>
<p>it would also help if the company assigned to manage it *wasn&#8217;t* a serious contributor to any political party &#8212; go to <a href="http://opensecrets.org">http://opensecrets.org</a> , use &#8220;Diebold&#8221; as a search phrase, and you&#8217;ll see what i mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2003 02:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The above description [see first paragraph link] of a corrupt voting system is not the result of an overactive imagination. Rather it is the result of a extensive research by computer programmers and journalists working around the globe.&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Well, a &quot;corrupt voting system&quot; needs to be shown to have been corrupted.  Incompetence at making a reliable and secure voting system does not make it corrupt unless someone has used its weaknesses.
&lt;p&gt;
And the &quot;extensive research&quot; published only shows there is unprotected data which can be accessed directly.  There are numerous pleas for study of the discovered code -- until someone truly does &quot;extensive research&quot; of that code and understands what it does, guessing as to what it does and guessing at the meaning of file names...is just guessing and wishful thinking.  (If I could be paid, I could understand it in short order.  But I don&#039;t have time to volunteer.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The above description [see first paragraph link] of a corrupt voting system is not the result of an overactive imagination. Rather it is the result of a extensive research by computer programmers and journalists working around the globe.</i></p>
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Well, a &#8220;corrupt voting system&#8221; needs to be shown to have been corrupted.  Incompetence at making a reliable and secure voting system does not make it corrupt unless someone has used its weaknesses.
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And the &#8220;extensive research&#8221; published only shows there is unprotected data which can be accessed directly.  There are numerous pleas for study of the discovered code &#8212; until someone truly does &#8220;extensive research&#8221; of that code and understands what it does, guessing as to what it does and guessing at the meaning of file names&#8230;is just guessing and wishful thinking.  (If I could be paid, I could understand it in short order.  But I don&#8217;t have time to volunteer.)</p>
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		<title>By: apsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>apsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;a href=&quot;http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks&quot;&gt;Risks Forum&lt;/a&gt; has had long discussions about the requirements for electronic voting systems and tamperproof elections. The important thing is having a physical (usually paper) trail for auditing purposes - and you need to think about how it&#039;s done  carefully to ensure validity while maintaining anonymity. Here&#039;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/21.23.html#subj6.1&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt; to one comment on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks">Risks Forum</a> has had long discussions about the requirements for electronic voting systems and tamperproof elections. The important thing is having a physical (usually paper) trail for auditing purposes &#8211; and you need to think about how it&#8217;s done  carefully to ensure validity while maintaining anonymity. Here&#8217;s a <a href="http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/21.23.html#subj6.1">link</a> to one comment on this.</p>
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