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	<title>Comments on: Criswell on Lunar Solar Power</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey- just a thought: Hope the system has security failsafes, because given recent events, wouldn&#039;t there be the threat of somebody getting into the programming and aiming all the transmitters at one or a handful of targets together? Something right outta James Bond? I personally don&#039;t need getting fried to ruin my dayly routine.&lt;p&gt;
Beyond that, what about collectors on the far side of the moon? Much larger area to play with, then store or send to near side for transmission to earth. And no problems about being seen from here.&lt;p&gt;
But I think that wind and wave energy will be much bigger than people think, and sooner rather than later, in any case.&lt;p&gt;
codemaniac</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey- just a thought: Hope the system has security failsafes, because given recent events, wouldn&#8217;t there be the threat of somebody getting into the programming and aiming all the transmitters at one or a handful of targets together? Something right outta James Bond? I personally don&#8217;t need getting fried to ruin my dayly routine.
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Beyond that, what about collectors on the far side of the moon? Much larger area to play with, then store or send to near side for transmission to earth. And no problems about being seen from here.</p>
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But I think that wind and wave energy will be much bigger than people think, and sooner rather than later, in any case.</p>
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codemaniac</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;me&gt; What do you think of that sciscoop story?&lt;br&gt;
&lt;them&gt; Solar in the ocean: &#160;Several steps towards reality over &quot;moon solar&quot;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;them&gt; There was this guy, who came up with this idea, to power the US off the western destert using solar. &#160;But not PV.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;them&gt; His name was Ted Taylor. &#160;His idea involved the use of greenhouses, to produce biomass, burn it, and make power. &#160;Take the CO2, and reclaim it by piping it back to the greenhouses.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;them&gt; Coincidentally, It would take about an area the size of the navada test range.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;them&gt;: But I think heat pipe solar &#160;(thermal, focused on pipes to make hot oil) with subterainain storage is a much more viable, and less labor intensive solution.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;them&gt; Most of the western US is barren desert anyway. &#160;Or will be, once the aquafers are sucked dry from the irrigation.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;me&gt; then write it up and post the idea as an editorial on sciscoop&lt;br&gt;
&lt;them&gt; The DOE has the answers... they *KNOW* this stuff. &#160;There&#039;s no need to convey the idea to some website readers. &#160;The smart people already know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&lt;me&gt; What do you think of that sciscoop story?<br />
&lt;them&gt; Solar in the ocean: &nbsp;Several steps towards reality over &quot;moon solar&quot;<br />
&lt;them&gt; There was this guy, who came up with this idea, to power the US off the western destert using solar. &nbsp;But not PV.<br />
&lt;them&gt; His name was Ted Taylor. &nbsp;His idea involved the use of greenhouses, to produce biomass, burn it, and make power. &nbsp;Take the CO2, and reclaim it by piping it back to the greenhouses.<br />
&lt;them&gt; Coincidentally, It would take about an area the size of the navada test range.<br />
&lt;them&gt;: But I think heat pipe solar &nbsp;(thermal, focused on pipes to make hot oil) with subterainain storage is a much more viable, and less labor intensive solution.<br />
&lt;them&gt; Most of the western US is barren desert anyway. &nbsp;Or will be, once the aquafers are sucked dry from the irrigation.<br />
&lt;me&gt; then write it up and post the idea as an editorial on sciscoop<br />
&lt;them&gt; The DOE has the answers&#8230; they *KNOW* this stuff. &nbsp;There&#8217;s no need to convey the idea to some website readers. &nbsp;The smart people already know.</p>
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		<title>By: apsmith</title>
		<link>http://www.sciscoop.com/2005-3-3-202842-5764.html/comment-page-1#comment-3180</link>
		<dc:creator>apsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a good question though.
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As Criswell noted, you can design the receiving antennas to have net neutral heat flow: by painting them white to reflect sunlight, for example, they can be balanced with the incoming energy on average so there&#039;s no net change in retained heat.
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In any case, even without the balanced design, the heat flow involved is about a factor of 3 less than the extra heat flow caused by any non-renewable electric power plant: nuclear or fossil-fuel based plants are only about 34% efficient in converting the heat of burning to electric energy, and nuclear or fossil fuels are just as &quot;external&quot; to natural heat flows as additional power beamed from space.
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But even that heat flow from &quot;burning&quot; is miniscule relative to the additional retained heat caused by the CO2 and other greenhouse gases themselves. After the heat release from burning, the CO2 that remains in the atmosphere acts to enhance the heat retained on Earth&#039;s surface from sunlight - that heat retention amounts to (depending on the level of greenhouse warming expected) about 300 times more than the initial heat release from burning.
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So our energy imports from space would have to be about 1000 times greater than current energy usage to have the same 2-degree warming effect that we&#039;re getting from all the CO2 we&#039;re releasing - assuming that with all that energy we can&#039;t find good ways to balance things out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a good question though.</p>
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As Criswell noted, you can design the receiving antennas to have net neutral heat flow: by painting them white to reflect sunlight, for example, they can be balanced with the incoming energy on average so there&#8217;s no net change in retained heat.
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In any case, even without the balanced design, the heat flow involved is about a factor of 3 less than the extra heat flow caused by any non-renewable electric power plant: nuclear or fossil-fuel based plants are only about 34% efficient in converting the heat of burning to electric energy, and nuclear or fossil fuels are just as &#8220;external&#8221; to natural heat flows as additional power beamed from space.
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But even that heat flow from &#8220;burning&#8221; is miniscule relative to the additional retained heat caused by the CO2 and other greenhouse gases themselves. After the heat release from burning, the CO2 that remains in the atmosphere acts to enhance the heat retained on Earth&#8217;s surface from sunlight &#8211; that heat retention amounts to (depending on the level of greenhouse warming expected) about 300 times more than the initial heat release from burning.
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So our energy imports from space would have to be about 1000 times greater than current energy usage to have the same 2-degree warming effect that we&#8217;re getting from all the CO2 we&#8217;re releasing &#8211; assuming that with all that energy we can&#8217;t find good ways to balance things out.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t importing energy from an external source contribute to global warming ,as i suspect is the case with using nuclear power ?</description>
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