Armageddon Monday, April 3, 2006. Post by Wayne Goode
Disease offered the most efficient and fastest way to kill the billions. AIDS is not an efficient killer, he explained, because it is too slow. His favorite candidate for eliminating 90% of the world’s population is airborne Ebola.
And the worst part of it was that the crowd of “scientists” gave him a prolonged standing ovation and later that day the Texas Academy of Science honored Pianka as 2006 Distinguished Texas Scientist.
Dr. Shawn Carlson writes “If the professional community has lost its sense of moral outrage when one if their own openly calls for the slow and painful extermination of over 5 billion human beings, then it falls upon the amateur community to be the conscience of science.”
Previously on SciScoop: « Save the Earth by Killing 90% ofthe Humans Says Dr. Pianka to a Standing Ovation
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chad
April 4th, 2006 at 6:34 am
The link to Dr. Pianka’s web site was incorrect. I’ve updated the article to use (what I hope is) the correct link.
chad
April 4th, 2006 at 6:38 am
Before moderating this one, I checked the reference article to see if it had been posted on April 1st. No such luck.
I’m speechless.
juanR
April 4th, 2006 at 7:57 am
If this is not a joke, then it apparently Dr. Pianka (Dr. Doom) is basing the “saving the Earth” in his “rational” arguments.
Let me add another “rational” suggestion.
Would not the own Pianka and their followers receive a first-class position between the first 90%?
Anyone explained to Dr. Doom and meeting followers that they are using more oil and natural recourses (water, air, etc.) than many African small villages?
From an economic side, it is more “rational” eliminating those wasting more natural recourses (70%) that the rest of 70% of population together (using just the remaining 30%).
In another order of things, ignoring the aberration that Pianka holocaust can produce us and returning from the Doom arena, it may be add that the models used by most of ecologists for studying populations are just too simplistic. Therefore, even if in a natural catastrophe the 90% of population passed away, nobody is sure of which would be the final evolution of human population.
What is more, it can be rigorously proved that some accepted ecological models lack a serious mathematical basis. I even doubt if Pianka knows that…
Juan R.
Center for CANONICAL |SCIENCE)
Wayne Goode
April 4th, 2006 at 1:02 pm
The story did not start as a “smear job” by the Discovery Institute, but by a Texas Newspaper and an article in a publication of Society for Amateur Scientists. From the AP story.
The public furor began when The Gazette-Enterprise of Seguin, Texas, reported Sunday on two speeches Pianka made last month to groups of scientists and students about vanishing animal habitats and the explosion of the human population.
Dr. Painka made statements that show how anti-human his feelings are. Again, from the AP story:
The Gazette-Enterprise quoted Pianka as saying disease “will control the scourge of humanity. We’re looking forward to a huge collapse.”
And from the original story:
They laughed again when he proposed, with a discernable note of glee in his voice that, “We need to sterilize everybody on the Earth.
Humanity is a scourge? It’s collapse is something to look forward to? We need to sterilize everyone? Ignoring for a moment killing 90% of the population, Dr. Pianka still has made statements for which there is no defense. The fact that he and others have received death threats is also reprehensible, but it does not justify his statements.
apsmith
April 4th, 2006 at 12:16 pm
See the discussion here and here. This appears to be a deliberate misrepresentation of what Dr. Pianka said, and the context, likely a smear job from the anti-evolution folks at the Discovery Institute.
This is serious business – university professors are being intimidated, receiving death threats, from the right wing. Dr. Pianka has to go in public and defend himself again and again. And over what?
Apparently, Pianka, a distinguished and soft-spoken ecologist, pointed out in his talk that epidemic disease is an inevitable result of large populations – that’s the way evolution works. He discussed AIDS and Ebola as the article above states, but he honestly has no intention or desire to bring this sort of thing about – he just happens to think it’s pretty much inevitable. That’s it. Are people not allowed to state scientific conclusions like this in public any more?
apsmith
April 4th, 2006 at 4:54 pm
Usually people laugh at jokes, right? And the funniest ones are the ones that strike to the heart of truths we worry about. Perhaps he said exactly what the “Gazette-Enterprise” quoted, though that’s a little doubtful given this interview. But even if he did say those words, and I was not there, it’s pretty clear the context of the statement was a joke among fellow ecologists. He’s WARNING the world that he believes epidemic disease is inevitable, he’s not gleefully looking forward to it. As the interview states from him:
“I’ve got two granddaughters, man. I’m putting money in a college fund for my granddaughters. I’m worried about them,” Pianka said.
He said he believes criticism of his theory about an inevitable plague on mankind comes from a rival jealous about his distinguished scientist award from the Texas Academy of Science.
“He’s an avowed enemy, and he’s made this very clear that he’s going to get me and take me down,” Pianka said.
FriendlyBacteria
April 5th, 2006 at 8:45 am
From what I’ve read about this story, I think I’m with apsmith. An ecologist saying that certain things could only happen if the human population were reduced by 90% is not a call for mass murder. And off-the-cuff remarks made in a lecture with the obvious intention of amusing the audience shouldn’t be grounds for death threats. I think a course in Sarcasm 101 is required by certain of those present at the lecture. Similarly, the recognition that epidemics could wipe out huge swathes of humanity is not the same thing as supporting bioterrorism.
The UK government is currently debating a pensions crisis as, commentators keep saying, “we’re all living too long.” Does this mean I should threaten to murder these commentators for advocating the extermination of old people? Of course not, they’re not proposing anything of the sort. The principle is the same with Pianka’s comments.
VerNetzer
April 6th, 2006 at 1:07 pm
How about a little research. The person who supposedly “reported” on the event, is a well known member of Discovery.
Or take a look at the Wikipedia entry. Not only is the “Pianka Controvercy mentioned, but also his brief stint as columnist for SA:
Enough said I believe.
apsmith
April 6th, 2006 at 5:04 pm
The Gazette-Enterprise mentioned by Wayne has a full transcript of the talk – I’m recopying it here because it’s highly instructive on what Pianka actually said, and the newspaper has split it into many pages that make it harder to follow.
hdrkid
April 27th, 2006 at 12:36 pm
In the near future the virus will mutate into a form that will eliminate the operpopulated cities.
The few who remain will help rebuild.
Using http://www.fluxcap.com/astral_time_travel.htm astral time travel I have seen the future of humanity.