Comments on: ELN – Electronic Lab Notebooks – They’re here now! http://www.sciscoop.com/2007-4-24-153522-740.html Scooping up science news and dropping it on your desk Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:03:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Rob Day http://www.sciscoop.com/2007-4-24-153522-740.html/comment-page-1#comment-4361 Rob Day Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:57:16 +0000 http://localhost/~arielschwartz/wordpress/sciscoop/?p=2957#comment-4361 There are some free ELN's out there but you get what you pay for. I work for Rescentris Inc who make CERF, the only ELN that is both Mac and Windows compatible and fully 21 CFR 11 compliant. Obviously I am biased, but we believe our product is the best. Unlike some of the other systems described here it is infinitely flexible, extensible, and customizable. Check it out at www.rescentris.com There are some free ELN’s out there but you get what you pay for. I work for Rescentris Inc who make CERF, the only ELN that is both Mac and Windows compatible and fully 21 CFR 11 compliant. Obviously I am biased, but we believe our product is the best. Unlike some of the other systems described here it is infinitely flexible, extensible, and customizable. Check it out at http://www.rescentris.com

]]> By: http://www.sciscoop.com/2007-4-24-153522-740.html/comment-page-1#comment-4172 Tue, 01 May 2007 02:58:11 +0000 http://localhost/~arielschwartz/wordpress/sciscoop/?p=2957#comment-4172 Interesting point about the regulatory impact on the ELN market from the pharma perspective. db Interesting point about the regulatory impact on the ELN market from the pharma perspective.

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]]> By: justchromatography http://www.sciscoop.com/2007-4-24-153522-740.html/comment-page-1#comment-3800 justchromatography Sun, 29 Apr 2007 16:59:04 +0000 http://localhost/~arielschwartz/wordpress/sciscoop/?p=2957#comment-3800 spm38910 and db,<p> I guess you never worked in GMP environment for pharmaceutical company :) I have used Onenote and I presently use another notebook software on my Mac; however, none of these applications can be used in the pharmaceutical lab due to strict regulatory guidelines imposed by FDA. <br> <br><br> So, special software with multiuser access and permissions, second scientist reviews, electronic signatures, audit trails, and etc has to be developed by a third party. The end product normally works well for QC and some development labs. <br> <br><br> But, when it comes to research you find yourself unable to perform some very simple tasks with ELN. For instance, you cannot reweight a chemical without authorization of your superior because the balance is linked to ELN and would not accept a new number without the override since this action would consider a deviation from the research protocol. <br> <br><br> Yes, these things can be adjusted by IT department or the company that developed the software but my initial encounter with ELN was not pleasant.<br> <br><br> If they just gave a regular tablet PC with Onenote running on it, I would not have a problem. spm38910 and db,

I guess you never worked in GMP environment for pharmaceutical company :) I have used Onenote and I presently use another notebook software on my Mac; however, none of these applications can be used in the pharmaceutical lab due to strict regulatory guidelines imposed by FDA.

So, special software with multiuser access and permissions, second scientist reviews, electronic signatures, audit trails, and etc has to be developed by a third party. The end product normally works well for QC and some development labs.

But, when it comes to research you find yourself unable to perform some very simple tasks with ELN. For instance, you cannot reweight a chemical without authorization of your superior because the balance is linked to ELN and would not accept a new number without the override since this action would consider a deviation from the research protocol.

Yes, these things can be adjusted by IT department or the company that developed the software but my initial encounter with ELN was not pleasant.

If they just gave a regular tablet PC with Onenote running on it, I would not have a problem.

]]> By: http://www.sciscoop.com/2007-4-24-153522-740.html/comment-page-1#comment-3311 Sat, 28 Apr 2007 03:34:05 +0000 http://localhost/~arielschwartz/wordpress/sciscoop/?p=2957#comment-3311 I'd have to agree although I no longer work in a lab, I still remember trolling around the bench with a stained and smudgy "real" lab book that used to stink out my sports bag on the way home. db I’d have to agree although I no longer work in a lab, I still remember trolling around the bench with a stained and smudgy “real” lab book that used to stink out my sports bag on the way home.

db

]]> By: spm38910 http://www.sciscoop.com/2007-4-24-153522-740.html/comment-page-1#comment-2658 spm38910 Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:24:34 +0000 http://localhost/~arielschwartz/wordpress/sciscoop/?p=2957#comment-2658 'for pure research... I could not find them very helpful'?  I don't understand that.  I have used Onenote to take notes for classes, it's more flexible than a regular notebook.  I don't get what your saying? ‘for pure research… I could not find them very helpful’?  I don’t understand that.  I have used Onenote to take notes for classes, it’s more flexible than a regular notebook.  I don’t get what your saying?

]]> By: justchromatography http://www.sciscoop.com/2007-4-24-153522-740.html/comment-page-1#comment-1739 justchromatography Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:09:19 +0000 http://localhost/~arielschwartz/wordpress/sciscoop/?p=2957#comment-1739 We have been using tablet PC based notebooks for SOP'ed type of work. They have proven to be very convenient, well, until the next windows crash. However, for pure research, when you need a lot more flexibility and freedom, I could not find them very helpful, at least with software that's installed on our tablet PCs. We have been using tablet PC based notebooks for SOP’ed type of work. They have proven to be very convenient, well, until the next windows crash. However, for pure research, when you need a lot more flexibility and freedom, I could not find them very helpful, at least with software that’s installed on our tablet PCs.

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