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Does Human Nature Rule Out The Establishment Of Colonies?
By Sylvia Engdahl, Section Commentary
Posted on Tue Jan 20, 2004 at 09:36:52 PM PST

Space Exploration [This is not a reply to your new "Is Space Humanization Necessary?" posting, Ricky -- I had this already written before I saw the new one. So I'm not going to add to it; I'll answer the new one tomorrow. But this is in many respects relevant.]

Ricky argued in a comment on my "Tragic Irony" story that moving into space won't help conditions on Earth because colonists on other planets won't be altruistic, which, as I tried to show in my reply, is a non sequitur. But I do certainly agree that colonists won't be altruistic. And this brings up large issues beyond the scope of my original topic. As I've said there, I believe Earth will need energy and materials from space long before other planets are colonized on a large scale; but whether or not it does, there remains the question of what is going to motivate the establishment of colonies.

For nearly a century now, thriving colonies on other worlds have been part of our culture's picture of the future, accepted as routine in science fiction even by those who doubted its practical reality. And of course, I believe in this picture. Its details are mythic, in the positive sense of that word (see my New Mythology of the Space Age series), especially with regard to its conception of multiple colonies communicating easily over interstellar distances; still, except in my most pessimistic moods, I'm convinced that sooner or later colonies will exist.

But it's a long way from a base on Mars, or even a small group of permanent residents, to a colony that needs no support from Earth, let alone one that can develop the kind of independent civilization that Ricky envisions. So how will humankind get from here to there? If colonists won't be motivated by altruism, surely the same is even more true of people on Earth. We can hardly expect large colonies to be funded by either Earth's governments or Earth's investors merely for the sake of the people who are going to live there. Not if there's no benefit to Earth, we can't.

Science fiction has always been based on this assumption. The usual premise of SF set in large colonies, those ready for independence, is that they are being economically exploited by whatever agency -- governmental or private -- made the original investment. The plot often involves the colonists winning, or attempting to win, their freedom. The most recent presentation of this scenario is in Firefly, which is convincing precisely because we know underneath that its metaphors express truth about the way long-distance colonization works. (Incidentally, I don't see the situation in Firefly as parallel to the American Civil War, as has been stated in several places; politically, it's more comparable to what the aftermath of the American Revolution would have been if the US colonies hadn't won.) Colonies cannot be founded without a large investment from the mother civilization, which will not be made unless a return on the investment is expected; and if they provide a return, that civilization will do its best to retain control of them. I trust that in another century or so we'll have matured enough to resolve the situation without fighting a war over it -- but that doesn't change the fact that no colonies will ever be established unless benefits to Earth are foreseen.

We tend to lose sight of this fact when we think of space colonists as rugged individualists setting out for new lands like the original American colonists or Western pioneers, which of course is a valid comparison as far as their individual motivation is concerned. Unfortunately there are two major reasons why it's not valid in other ways. In the first place, they won't be able to get to Mars or any other world using only their personal resources. And in the second place, they will not be able to "live off the land" when they get there, not on any planet in this solar system. Thus somebody has got to pay for their transport and their life support until the colony is well established, and whoever does so is going expect an eventual profit.

So if we want colonies, we had better hope that Earth will benefit from them, and we had better be careful about allowing the public to believe otherwise. A planet that has no resources of use to Earth will simply never be settled, unless perhaps, as O'Neill suggested, residents of orbiting colonies get so rich selling power and materials to Earth that they can fund a more distant colony on their own. It's a sure bet that no sufficiently-large group of prospective pioneers on Earth is going to get that rich.

Then have I, a lifelong optimist, become a cynic in my old age? Since I've declared in The Far Side of Evil and at my website that the survival of humankind depends on colonization beyond our home world, have I concluded that we're doomed because only self-interest can bring about the establishment of colonies? No. I believe space and/or other worlds do contain resources that self-interest leads expanding planetary civilizations to utilize, even if we are not yet aware of them or of how our capabilities will develop. I believe's that's a natural step in evolution (although I am not saying that all civilized species successfully take that step, or that ours will inevitably do so).

Progress is not made, and has never been made, on altruistic grounds. That is not how the universe works. Progress is made by individuals pursuing their own ends -- and yet it does occur. This idea is no longer just philosophy; the evidence for it is building up through the new science of complexity (the implications of which have not yet been recognized by traditionalists) and will, I believe, transform the outlook of all sciences, including the social sciences, before the end of this century. In the evolution of organisms, communities, and even technologies -- in the process of history itself -- individual self-interest, pursued without regard to any central plan or altruistic aim, results in spontaneous overall self-organization (which may or may not be termed "progress," according to one's personal preference). Thus if it's a natural law that at least some species that develop technology spread beyond their home worlds, as I believe it is, then it's through this process that it occurs.

Does Human Nature Rule Out The Establishment Of Colonies? | 19 comments (19 topical, 0 hidden)

Technology will improve (5.00 / 1) (#5)
by Anonymous on Wed Jan 21, 2004 at 11:57:17 AM PST
You say, "In the first place, they won't be able to get to Mars or any other world using only their personal resources. And in the second place, they will not be able to 'live off the land' when they get there, not on any planet in this solar system." Don't you think that it is possible that future technological progress will allow a small group's personal resources to allow them to get to Mars and live off the land? The Europeans had to develop some reasonably sophisticated tech to colonize the New World after all. I think most Europeans in 619 A.D. would have imagined it to be impossible to sail across the Atlantic. Maybe in a thousand years it will be as easy to get to Mars as it was for the Pilgrims to get to Plymouth.



We are animals (none / 0) (#1)
by Chronosphere on Wed Jan 21, 2004 at 01:56:21 AM PST
I agree. First of all, we are animals, and our behaviour is motivated by our biology. Technology has grown at an astonishing speed, so fast that it has outpaced our biology. An example; there are enough food in the world to feed every human alive (we have the technology), yet, half of it goes directly to the trash can, if the price is "not right" (greed, animal irrational behaviour). I believe we need to artificialy evolve in to something else than an "human animal", before we reach our first colony.



  • artificially evolve? by BeckySue, 01/21/2004 03:33:51 AM PST (none / 0)
    • artificial evolution by kryptothesuperdog, 01/21/2004 05:05:46 AM PST (none / 0)
      • It'll happen by Drog, 01/22/2004 06:25:12 AM PST (none / 0)
    • Scary by Chronosphere, 01/21/2004 06:23:11 AM PST (none / 0)
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Colonies Require Economic Sufficiency (none / 0) (#6)
by billg on Wed Jan 21, 2004 at 12:08:16 PM PST
While governments may support military or research outposts on other planets, real human colonies won't succeed until they have the potential to become economically self-sustaining. That means engaging in trade. Profitable trade will create opportunities for individuals to migrate, get a job, and support themselves. Parts of New England aside, most of the British colonies in North American were founded by companies and individuals seeking to make money. Absent a self-sustaining economy, the flow of resources from Earth will always exceed the flow of resources from the colony to Earth. True colonies can't be sustained like that.



Space is for Robots (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous on Thu Jan 22, 2004 at 12:01:57 AM PST
Sending robots to the planets for natural resources or scientific experiments is much cheaper than sending humans.

So why send humans into space? Sure, it's fun. But is it good economics, or even good science?



Space colonization (none / 0) (#15)
by kelleyb on Fri Jan 23, 2004 at 10:36:34 AM PST
Technological growth can serve as the basis for economic and sociological growth and human evolution. NASA has less peer-reviewed science than NIH, which is why NASA has been inefficient. Innovation goes down as politics becomes the criteria for advancement among scientists. Bush wants to kill all space science that might, someday, actually get us into space. As opposed to silly assed posturing designed to start a Cold War with China and enrich General Dynamics, General Electric, and Halliburton, among other Carlyle group affiliates. The problem with the desire to "dominate" space militarily is that we do not have and will not encourage the scientific and engineering base to do it with. There is currently a drive in the White House to end all peer-reviewed science. They haven't the slightest idea how to actualize their fantasies, and they have nothing but contempt for the analytical process it takes to develop it. Look for covert attempts to sabotage the space programs of other countries, the government realizes it is incompetent to run its own space program. This country could have moon and Mars colonies in a generation, and interplanetary ships and stations capable of reasonably safe space exploration and development. We're human, we're animals, but we're also a tropical species that selected for an intelligence that allows us to live and succeed in incredibly harsh environments. For the people that want it, space colonies will be a boon. But this country won't do it, because it doesn't understand the concept of scientific peer review, and it has nothing but contempt for the kind of people it takes to do science and accomplish the engineering.



Does Human Nature Rule Out the Establishment of .. (none / 0) (#17)
by susang on Tue Jan 27, 2004 at 01:03:03 PM PST
Why does mankind toy with the idea of colonizing and exploiting another planet when he has done a fine job of nearly destroying earth? Are humans therefore, no more than locusts? If there is intelligent life out in the universe I can only hope they will limit human space exploration efforts.



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